Agathe-Rosalie Rambaud-Mottet

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Of the 34 persons who claimed to be Louis XVII, only Naundorff possessed secret about the life of the royal family at Versailles to the Tuileries and the Temple .. This allowed him to be credible in the eyes of many of his contemporaries and which also he still has bitter partisans. Of which held it to his information, it was not Louis XVII?

Historians never talk about his political and religious ideas. Yet they are far removed from the majority of those who support and they also ignore the active group, enemies of the Legitimists, who help … in the shade. Illuminated, Germany, plotters Republicans in Strasbourg, journalists and politicians left in Britain, King of Holland, enemy of France (following the case of Antwerp) … are present these sides when necessary really.

Agathe de Rambaud, his main witness, attached to the person of the Dauphin, also raised several testimonies in favor of Naundorff, and welcomed him home. She too was advised … how far their complicity? Presented by anti-naundorffistes as an aristocrat, a little too old courtesan, nostalgic for the old regime, the ultra-royalist ideas, Madame de Rambaud born Mottet and his family do not correspond however not to the established clichés. Besides, Paul-Eric Blanrue and Philippe Delorme rightly observe that we know almost nothing about her and her ideas .

This text is by no means a text or against Naundorff. Its purpose is to introduce my ancestor, that was mentioned thousands of times, without knowing it. Any information or document copy will be welcome.

Agathe Rosalie Mottet Ribécourt, a courtesan?

JH Petrie told that Naundorff was received and widely recognized in the circles of preceding courtiers of Louis XVI. The most important of them are Mrs Rambaud, former governess of the Dauphin …

Funny historian! the surname of Agathe is not Rambaud Rambaud, on all official documents concerning the (church records, court decisions, letters of ministries, letters to the King). On the register of the Children’s House of the King (the archives are visible CARAN), it appears many of the birth of Louis-Charles, the first half of 1792, but in the other category or housekeeper … or maid, as affirm the Naundorffistes .

Courtesans surround the Queen, the flatter, amuse, play to the farm with lambs … and retrieve pensions of tens of thousands of francs. Agathe key 200 Francs per semester plus 200 King gratification Franks. It is simply Attached to the person of the Dauphin , writes Decaux. First as a lullaby, it then remains with the Dauphin, firstly because it’s really like on the other hand the fact that her husband died for King and France defending a fort at heart of Africa. She finds herself a widow at 25, with two children and has no personal fortune. Agathe is in no way a carefree courtesan.

Crest Mottet Fountain
(descendants of Uncle Agathe. Authorising Officer, after 1789, of India) (© Private collection Guy Rambaud)

His parents bourgeois living nobly

The Saint-Jacques church in Compiègne.
The parish of Mottet.
(© Private collection Guy Rambaud)

Agathe Rosalie Mottet, was born December 10, 1764, in Versailles. Nothing on the extract from the register of 10 December 1764 of the parish of St. Louis, no evidence that his parents are aristocrats. Certainly, his great paternal grandfather Louis Mottet was interested in King Farms for the Bailiwick of Compiègne, Paris bridges Master and Provost of the jurisdiction of the Ladies of Val de Grace in Paris.
Lawyer in Parliament, he said Baron of St. Corneille, but is not found in the Hozier and local armorial, traces of this family. However, it is also an officer of the King and Lord Vénerie Bonneval de la Motte … (certainly because of domains purchased to noble families) Agathe is in many history books about Louis XVII affair under Mottet of the surname of Ribécourt but sign or Mottet Mottet-Rambaud. The actions of the different parishes on, invariably contains the name of Mottet … short.

In most cases, a provost is a principal officer, head of a court which, in case of convocation of the nobility, is the head of the backbench, but normally the parish records indicate if the noble person : high and mighty lord, noble …, songs … This is not the case, nor in Compiegne, or at Versailles … for Mottet.

Besides his son, Mr. Claude Nicolas Mottet, the grandfather of Agathe, is described in a document from the Archives Center Overseas, Aix-en-Provence nobly bourgeois living .

The Department of Marine and Colonies

What is certain is that Agatha was born and live in the middle of Commissioners of the Department of Marine and Colonies and Navy officers. The father of Agathe Rosalie is the Commissioner-General Louis Melchior Mottet, who started as a clerk in the Navy in 1756 at Rochefort. He retired in 1787 as Commissioner General of Ports and Arsenals. His pension is 9000 pounds a year, plus a pension, as Navy Invalid 1,000 F). This is high compared to a laborer, but little to support a family of seven children, including 4 girls Versailles … … to marry.

What grade equivalencies? A Commissioner-General amounts to a squadron leader and a Commissioner or Clerk to a Starship Captain. By cons, a Navy Writer has the same rank as a lieutenant. The salaries are equal between the pen and sword officers.

And then the father will send soon 87, letter after letter to ministers to ensure the happiness of her children and get paid his pensions, also has a step-family, told The Proux La Rivière. His stepfather is also a former Navy clerk, a conscientious man, and appreciated by all. He earns late career 15 000 F. But he says 30 000 F of the dowry of his daughter Jeanne to the Director of the East India Company. It went bankrupt in December 1776. The Company had recovered over 56 million in the royal treasury and the poor Louis Melchior is not the only victim of this bad manager. 30,000 Francs … it is a considerable sum of money to a commissioner. ! The Minister Sartines, assigns him a pension to compensate fired Transplant Santo Domingo. The disturbances that occurred in the richest colonies (now Haiti become so-poor) in the years that followed, did he never touched this compensation. Louis Melchior gets a loan from the Department for its beautiful The in-law David Proux said La Riviere, who is under his command. David became an important and popular character of ministers from the Convention earning enough little money, like all young writers of the Navy …

Map of Rochefort-sur-Mer, where the Proux and Mottet began their career
drawing in pen and ink; 28.1 x 36.4 cm
BNF Richelieu Prints and Photographs

Louis Melchior, is a good … too good man, maybe that will work until his death at age 76, when he was suffering from a serious illness and infirm, long time.

Agathe’s brother, Louis, was appointed April 1, 1789, Port of lieutenant. His two brothers are clerical and math after a good education and have worked with a notary for 3 years, in 1794. One wants to go to La Guadeloupe, the other in Pondicherry work for the Ministry.

The Mottet and said Proux The River are in no way privileged. These are high officials of the old regime, and of the Republic which is described in their records to the archives, as very active and zealous.

A nostalgic of the old regime?

Kings before 1789 are by divine right, and their power is absolute. The France of that is an unequal society, where a competent lawyer son is considered a respectable subject, but unless a wealthy squire, completely ignorant. Despite the rapid development of the masonry, the Catholic church is a key obstacle to the development of society and the freedom of men and women of this kingdom. Protestants and Jews are not subjects. And I’m not talking about the fate of people of color …

Although known, the Agatha attachment to the person of the Dauphin which is not limited to his official duties. However, Agathe is in no way an ultra-royalist Catholic. His family is not opposed to the Revolution, on the contrary, out of anonymity because of it.

The East Indies, an uncle, Benoit Mottet de la Fontaine, born June 4, 1745 in Compiègne, who began his career on 1 January 1764 as colonies desk clerk, was in May 1785 Ordinary Commissioner colonies to India. It offers to his family to take one of his nephews Mottet, to work under his eyes.

With the Revolution, he became Chairman of Chandannagar provincial council. But the extremist revolutionary fever wins the French Establishments in India, a year after its release in the metropolis.

A Chandannagar is established a National Committee chaired by Deverine citizens. Dehayes de Montigny, the new director of Chandannagar, must flee rather hurriedly.

The Revolutionary Committee opposes a plea for conciliation attempts Pondicherry authorities. In turn the Canaples emissaries of Fumeron Mérancy this Mottet and uncle, are not received in Chandannagar. A strong man, the harbor master Fidel Armand Blouet, eventually proclaim in 1792, Chargé de la Nation, in Bengal.

Header of a letter from the Minister to the citizen Mottet, father of Agathe .
(© Private collection Guy Rambaud)

The port of Pondicherry, in the eighteenth century.
(© Private collection Guy Rambaud)

But if he is not an agent of Robespierre, this uncle became a judge in Pondicherry, May 15, 1805, then the Emperor appoints the Commissioner Officer of the French Establishments in India. Commissioner inspector officer was the troops, chief in charge of Upper justice, police and finance. He shares the powers tied with the Governor.

So this uncle becomes one of two leaders of the French Establishments of India, thanks to the Revolution and the Empire. Certainly it is kept in office under the Restoration, but it is in no way a nostalgic of the monarchy before 1789.

We find another of his uncles, already quoted, said David Proux The River, recommended by the representative of the people, occupied in Spain, for him to get a higher position.

Several letters speak of a Citizen professing the principles of the Convention. One of them is endorsed by a senior ministry ( Jean Dalbarade, Secretary of State for Marine, from 93?) Under the Terror of this glowing review: I know the ideas of this citizen. And this in a period where the suspect to everyone to be a royalist, especially officials of the former regime. 5 Brumaire Year IV (26 October 1795) Uncle Agathe was appointed civilian commissioner of the M arine and a year later (on 4 Thermidor Year IV – July 21, 1796), he settles in Bilbao, the terms of treaty of peace with Spain. Also in 1796 he became ironmaster Uza. The forges of Uza in Lévignac (Landes), property of the counts of Uza, emigrated in 1792 … seized as national property … he is a director of noble property … sort !!! He died in 1802 of yellow fever being on mission for the Emperor at Fort-de-France, where he had come with Admiral Villaret-Joyeuse defend the Caribbean and restore order. David can also be classified in any category: nostalgic aristocrat of the old regime.

She has little religion

Alain Decaux wrote in Louis XVII found : M. Joly, Mrs Rambaud … Here we have indeed two very intelligent people unprepared to dupes business. Recognition will not come from a preconceived idea, and even their first move will be to both unfavorable Naundorff … He adds: The testimony of Madame de Rambaud is the (considerable) more. It also has nothing of an illuminated the contrary. Father Berthon even regrets that it has little religion. It does not claim to say that his testimony is more valuable, but separate from those of so many naundorffistes who too often have proven their spirit imbalance.

His wedding

Martigues, in the eighteenth century.
The Rambaud past century there have become sailors.
(© Private collection Guy Rambaud

Besides, when Agatha wife of André Rambaud, March 7, 1785, in Versailles, in the Saint-Louis, she marries not with a sworn enemy of new ideas, last scion of a family of privileged .

On the marriage certificate of the father of Andrew, Jean Rambaud, the priest says Martigues as a profession: sailor. Both grandfathers of her future husband expressed captains of boats on the pond of Berre.

Shortly after the marriage, the Rambaud family moved to Marseille and her father adds a bit and became owner and captain. The sister of Andrew marries a pirate captain who’s port officer in Marseille, the future Minister of the Management Pléville Le Pelley, who started as foam and is also son of sailors, certainly gentry, but ruined.

André Rambaud, her future husband serves in Martinique, as using Port from 1764 until 1767. His brother-Pléville is Captain of the Port of Fort Royal, since 1763.

The elder brother of her future husband, Jean-Michel Rambaud is in Fort Royal. It will be sent to Santo Domingo and will become in 89, one of the captains of the National Guard and President of the first provincial assemblies of Santo Domingo (Popular body, where one wears the national cockade and where blacks are often admitted ). It is also found from the beginning of the Revolution, President of the first parish committee. His daughter will marry Baron generated an honorably known Torbeck family, which is causing many postage including that of Affiba, the parent of Toussaint L’Ouverture.

Pléville the Pelley, the brother of Agathe, wrote in his memories, he had to complain to the government more ways than one … The reformist revolution of these abuses, is therefore essential. Since 1790 holds the position Pléville Treasurer of the patriotic Club of Marseille. Adolphe Thiers said of him … Rather Letourneur and the Pléville Pelley, honest people, but unaccustomed to diplomacy, had the revolutionary wildness .

To read his memories , certainly written under the Empire, it is not struck by the savagery of revolutionary about, but if it emits criticism of the disruption and the Revolution overflows, he does not call into question its necessity and goals reached.

Minister Pléville Management is actually a true Republican, a supporter of human rights, even before 89. What led him to enter masonry. We must not forget that under the old regime of sailors, son of boats captains had no chance to become a minister or admiral. Pléville became governor of the port of Marseille because of his immense qualities manager of its glorious past and a desire for reform, born under Louis XV and Louis XVI continued. And it is an exception. The officers of the Grand Body oppose by all means including the rebellion in the possibility for officers blues (commoners, but also with ruined nobles or descendants of Protestant families or whose mother is commoner) to become senior officers.

Portrait of the Pléville Pelley
by D. Maurin,
photo from the memoirs of a Marin granvillais

André Rambaud, the husband of Agathe owes its advancement Bailly de Suffren who observed that: . This officer is full of zeal and military value sustained a very good behavior it becomes, in part thanks to him, the Captain Regiment Pondicherry, a Marine infantry regiment. He was then 30 years and is still considered a commoner. Suffren, a member of the Olympic of the Perfect esteem, helps young infants less than he to become an officer.

Barras is a lieutenant in the regiment where Andrew is captain. Coming from a large Provencal family, he does not share the ideas of his caste. In Provence , reminded Napoleon is said as a noble Barras.

Crest Montgardin Rambaud.
Pine The first crest was replaced by a cypress, a Protestant symbol, in the sixteenth century.
(© Private collection Guy Rambaud)

Being a descendant of lords opens all doors. July 17, 1782, André Rambaud is to search for its noble origins in the Dauphiné by a Reverend Father, with the General Definitor Augustine Manosque (PR Capuchin Convent in Aix), and view the totally positive response from the -ci Andre Rambaud is now called André Rambaud and is on the parish registers of the parish St. Louis as a squire. The Definitor, a kind of genealogist of the King, is the first noble Rambaud, as alive in 1274, but unfortunately had ruled Upper Dauphiné and fought for Protestants, Rambaud had to recant and were scattered in the previous century.
It can become a Knight of the military and Royal Order of St. Louis, August 14, 1784. He married Agathe Mottet, March 7, 1785. Those present at his wedding:

. High and mighty Lord Pierre André de Suffren Saint Tropez, Knight of the King’s orders, Grand Cross of Saint John of Jerusalem, Vice Admiral of France. Ambassador of the Order of Malta

. John Godfrey of Chaourse, Knight Orders Saint Louis and Saint Lazare

. Louis Thomas Villaret de Joyeuse, Lieutenant King’s vessels, Knight of Saint Louis, a member of the lodge The Union of Lorient , recently.

. David Jacques François Le Proux River (Uncle’s wife, mentioned above), the revolutionary future.

Attached to the person of the Dauphin

But we must not be mistaken, writes rightly Alain Decaux: Madame de Rambaud was placed for seven years with the Dauphin. She did not leave, she rocked, she cared, she dressed, she consoled him, she scolded him. Ten times, a hundred times more than Marie Antoinette, she was for him a true Mother … Moreover, the clever Naundorff knew recalled telling Mr. Geoffroy he had brought her a mother , speaking of my ancestor . At the time, the great noble families not raising their children. The origins of Agathe approached the child.

Agathe died in 1853 and I was born in 1954. A century later in my family, we always had questions about the real identity of Naundorff, and we did not like the kings … if not good King Henry IV. But I knew from the age of 4 or 5 years old, a child died trapped … that this child was the Dauphin of France and that our ancestor had raised and loved as a son and perhaps even preferred her own children!

From the beginning of the Revolution, the housekeeper Madame de Polignac and sub-governesses, from the nobility emigrate, but Agathe stay with his little Charles.

His children and the little Dauphin ‘s help to overcome the tragedy of his life. Andrew, her husband, present at the birth of his son Benoist, born January 11, 1786, not finding its place in France, where it is enough to be born marquis and rich, to be a colonel at 18, takes command of Fort Saint Joseph Shea (in the United Shea, 500 km from the coast, on the top of the Senegal River).

He joined there the Chevalier de Boufflers, philosopher, friend of Voltaire, played in film by Bernard Giraudeau, in his film: the whims of a river . Exiled there for striking a courtier André Rambaud dies of his injuries after opposing the Moors to Galam in 1789 in the island of Gorée, off Dakar.

Agathe de Rambaud was widowed at 25, with a granddaughter of one year, who will never know her father, Madeleine Célinie and a boy of 2 years, Benoist. The royal couple is affected by this tragedy. Marie Antoinette Agathe made gift of a magnificent clock and a living room that was lined by the ladies of Madame de Maintenon (Saint-Cyr). King Louis XVI amounted to Lieutenant-Colonel André rank posthumously.

1789 Agatha close the royal couple is increasingly alone with his tragic fate.

Goree Island (Senegal) in the eighteenth century
(Private collection © Guy Rambaud)

Drawing enhanced with watercolor (1789-1792)
the scar will be noticed on the lip memory of a rabbit bite.
(© Private collection Guy Rambaud)

Versailles, it follows the Dauphin Tuileries, October 6, 1789 until August 12, 1792, the day of his imprisonment in the Temple. She takes care of this child of Marie Antoinette who said that his health has always been good but, even in the cradle, we realized that his nerves were very sensitive and the slightest noise was extraordinary effect on him .. . it’s like all children, strong and healthy, very dizzy, very light and very violent in his anger … it is very intrusive, he easily repeat what he heard and mostly without wanting to lie, he adds what his imagination made him see: it is its biggest flaw and on which we must correct it well.

She later wrote to the future Charles X that she was present at all the disastrous days of the Revolution and the most fatal of all, that of 10 August 1792 the Tuileries.

Napoleon will remember this day in Saint Helena : I have seen women well placed to stand to the last indecencies on the dead bodies of the Swiss. It’s an incredible slaughter, but women escape all. The Princess of Taranto, Miss Tourzel, Ms. Soucy and others take refuge in a room and wait for death. The cutthroats open the door, but one of them implored:

My good people, you will not have mercy on the poor maids?

And they cut to the heart by the word of order:

No harm to women.

Alas, almost everything in the castle is massacred, to laborers and the troop of children!

Taking the royal palace of the Tuileries, August 10, 1792 (Private Collection © Guy Rambaud )

Journal Clery

The night of the massacre, Rambaud Agathe Clery is left with, in the home of Mr. Ledreux, next to the door of the garden of Mr. Dauphin Château des Tuileries. She escaped with difficulty to the massacre of the Tuileries.

Clery wrote:

Some signs that we made we engaged us to silence. The son of our hosts, who in that time came from the National Assembly, informed us that the king, suspended from office, was taken into custody with the royal family in the lodge of the editor of Logographe, and it was impossible to approach him.

I then decided to go back to my wife and children in a country house, five leagues from Paris, where I lived for over two years; but the gates were closed, and I should not abandon Mme Rambaud. We agreed to take the road to Versailles, where she lived; the son of our hosts accompanied us. We crossed the bridge of Louis XVI, covered with naked corpses, already putrefied by the great heat; and, after many dangers we left Paris by a breach that was not guarded.

In the plain of Grenelle, we were met by horse peasants shouted from afar, threatening us with their weapons:

<Stop, or Death! >

One of them took me to a king’s guard, laid me in plays and was going to shoot me, when another offered to drive us to the municipality of Vaugirard.

he said

Arrived at the municipality, our hosts were recognized; the mayor asked me:

“Why, in the danger of the country, do not you at your post? Why are you leaving Paris? This announcement bad intentions.>

‘Yes, yes> shouted the populace

Precisely, I replied, because I wanted to get to my office, you’ve met me on the road to Versailles, where I live; that’s where my post, as is yours here.

It also asked Madame de Rambaud: our hosts made sure we were telling the truth, and they delivered us passports. I have to give thanks to Providence for not having taken to the prison Vaugirard twenty-two from the king’s guards had just been locked up there, which is then led to the Abbey where they were massacred on Sept. 2 following.

Vaugirard to Versailles, people armed patrols stopped us at every moment to check our passports. I led Madame de Rambaud with her parents, and I left immediately to go to the bosom of my family. The fall I had made by jumping through a window of the Tuileries, the fatigue of a travel twelve leagues, and my painful reflections on the deplorable events that had happened, so overwhelmed me that I had a fever very strong. I kept the bed for three days; but, anxious to know the fate of the king, I overcame my illness, and returned to Paris.

Farewell of Louis XVI to his family in the Temple (January 1793)
By Charles Beanzech – Museum of Versailles and Trianons

From the first days of their imprisonment, Agathe Rosalie request to join the Temple Louis-Charles and the royal family … in vain. On 13 August 1792, they should not be legion volunteer to be imprisoned in the Temple with the Capet family.

Jacobins demonstrating outside the Temple.
We remember that, when he proudly showed off the body of Madame de Lamballe cut into pieces.
It forced Marie Antoinette to contemplate this sad spectacle.
(© Private collection Guy Rambaud)

After the death of the child-king

8 June 1795 20 Prairial of the Year III of the Republic, shortly before three in the afternoon, the child held in the Temple of Paris, breathed his last. In the eyes of the faithful of the monarchy, the deceased was none other than His Majesty Louis XVII, their lawful sovereign.

Widow for six years, Agathe learned of the death of King Louis XVII, June 8, 1795, at the Temple prison. She is shocked. Everyone in the court was robust child as a small farmer, and the time of the last revolt, she begins to doubt his death. It is not only to believe in the possibility of survival is seen in the many books on the subject that she alone and also that this hope is not limited to a few courtiers. We find this belief both among aristocrats than among the poor, foreign dignitaries and sometimes in regimes that succeeded to the Convention, including our Emperor.

But Madame de Rambaud will survive 58 years in his little Charles and his life does not stop there. She has two children to look after and a lot of trouble because of his family. Under the Terror, the Mottet find themselves without bread . Conventional no longer pay the pensions to which her father was right. Under the Directory, of course, when the Pléville Pelley became minister, he is allowed to return to function as head of the Capital Division. The Minister made to the father of his sister what he does for thousands of people even enemy prisoners. They solve their problems and enables them to live in dignity.

Under the Empire, the son of Agathe, Benoist as he returned to the Ministry, it becomes:

. of January 22, 1804 to July 7, 1806, employed at the Ministry of Marine

. July 7, 1806, Second Class Navy clerk at Toulon

. January 1, 1808, 1st class clerk Toulon and Lorient, until 1 September 1810

. Controller direct contributions, 8 November 1810 (until 1 January 1814)

The Duke of Normandy, dolphin death of his brother, King at the death of his father death (?) After remaining without care, in a dungeon for months and months under the Terror, considered illegitimate by Louis XVIII, before and especially after his death.
(© Private collection Guy Rambaud)

The disillusionment

During the Revolution, the Consulate and the Empire, Agathe de Rambaud saw men and women, often lowly and worthless, become officials of the regime because of their relationships. Her, she said Uncle of the child she raised, Louis XVIII, will be King of France and of course we will honor the memory of the martyr-king child and reward people who stayed faithful to the royal family, risking their lives … it seems logical.

His son is the King during the Hundred Days. It is named in Ghent, April 13, 1815, Commissioner war assistant, and part in that capacity part of the Army Corps of the Duke of Berry. In reality, this corps is composed of a few hundred volunteers. But after Waterloo, King surrounds himself with people who served all regimes or ultra-royalists, the very people who caused the Revolution and the death of Louis XVII by their excesses.

Louis XVII. Detail of a painting of Madame Vigee-Lebrun
(© Private collection Guy Rambaud)

As written in Lenotre King Louis XVII and the riddle of the Temple : Just installed, Louis XVIII had given the order to seek, in the cemetery of the Madeleine, the exact location of the bodies of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette ; but they forgot to undertake such an inquiry about Louis XVII. The child of the Temple who were in France and especially in Paris, so many devout, was also disdained the Tuileries his parents that if he belonged to the race of the hated usurper that was to pay court as not to speak of it .

One can also reasonably ask: why were they buried the child of the temple, without the name of a king? The revolutionaries and especially the ultra-royalists spreading all the rumors that Louis XVII was the son of Fersen. Of course, this slander, confirmed by any reliable evidence, while the Queen was constantly surrounded by a swarm of courtiers, servants, officials or relatives, normally serves the interests of Louis XVIII, but the reality of such ignominy disgust by many.

We try to forget the child died in the Temple, the Court and the people. Certainly Agathe is entitled to a pension of 1,000 F, but it is charity, saw the dangers and the love she has surrounded the Dauphin. Meanwhile, the rich immigrants share a billion francs. His son is monitored by spies Feltre Duke recommends to appoint him to Paris in 1816 for a better look. It annotates in his file: dangerous subject! to monitor !

It is true that the Duke of Feltre, Clarke real name, had already done the same with Bonaparte in Italy. According to the Emperor, he went to ask the Executive Board to Italy if there would be an opportunity to arrest me … who replied they had to avoid penalty points and are thinking …

Clarke had no habit of command; kind of mind was that of an observer: it occupies at headquarters during the Battle of Rivoli doing research on particular officers; this in several displeased and pulled her discomfort … (Napoleon, contemporary Biography)

Certainly one keeps his son in his duties as Commissioner of War assistant until 1817. It is a Knight of the Royal Order of the Legion of Honour and St. Louis. But that does not stop it is set ½ balance, October 16, 1818.

He became the Secretary intimate Prince de Poix, Louis-Philippe de Noailles. He, like Agathe, was a supporter of reforms, but remained faithful to Louis XVI, at the peril of his life. After the 10th of August, he was imprisoned and could not escape thanks to incriminating documents to the Mayor of Paris. Since 1816, the Prince is governor of Versailles. But when he called Agathe benefactor of his son, died in 1819, Benoist is left with just half his pay to support his family. Without any fortune, he is determined to go in India, where a powerful family could offer him a resource for improving comfort and ensuring the existence of his wife and children. This painful resolution did not have the success that could be expected, he returned after three years of painful trials and found by this lack even unable to return to his body (letter of Agathe Monsieur, the future Charles X of 26 February 1824). In India, the Mottet hold important positions, but European officials are appointed by the ministries in Paris.

Agathe asked the future king, her son, a place of Garde-store food and fodder and preferably that of Meaux, whose Benoist’s stepfather was responsible. The Count of Damascus (future minister of Charles X) supports it for this position. But it just becomes Accountant food, Vendome, June 8, 1824. But on November 15, 1828, is dismissed. So he moved to the United States and Mexico. When he is on the other side of the ocean, Agathe, his mother, can not touch his pension and send him to Mexico because he left no permission to touch her, he was so disgusted by this company Restoration deeply unfair. And the administration of Charles X is too happy to hide behind the rules.

Benoist Rambaud died January 9, 1834, in Mexico City, abandoned by all except his mother.

Therese Gaudelet Armenonville, his Wife, daughter of emigrants, remarried Count Henry of Allonville (a family that counted several deaths, including one in the Tuileries and another who saved the Duc d’Enghien, in a battle in Alsace) and lives in the castle of La Hauteville. The Allonville of are the opposite of Rambaud. They were supporters of the English and the Burgundians, and the League. Agathe perceived how this remarriage?

Therese Gaudelet Armenonville
(very old .. at the time it is called Aunt Allonville )
(© Private collection Guy Rambaud)

The decisive feature

Paul-Eric Blanrue wrote, not without humor, that on May 28, 1833, the King finally enters Paris. The King is named most often Naundorff, but it takes false identities to travel because all false dolphins met in prison so far. He meets some proponents of survival , which give him money and the host. These are all people who had no connection with the Court. They have never seen Louis XVII as newspapers and books.

The Marco de Saint-Hilaire, who unlike these early people had a little rubbed the Dauphin, but most knew my ancestor had the wisdom to ask his opinion, before meeting him. Ms. Saint-Hilaire told the lawyer Geoffrey:

I know in Paris, Madame de Rambaud, who was placed near the cradle very young Dauphin, she did not leave until 10 August 1792. I’ll write it and you will yourself carry the letter. She believes unfamiliar with the child to be living out of the temple; but at a word from me she will not hesitate to go where you will drive. If it’s him, a line of truth , a decisive feature spring from the interview. On the contrary, if an impostor well! we have contributed to the unmasking, and it would in this case, a good work to help this worthy magistrate in Cahors, if its good faith was mistaken.

August 17, 1733 at 9 am, the lawyer Geoffrey with a recommendation letter of Madame de Saint-Hilaire, visits the home of Agatha, rue Neuve Saint-Etienne, in the neighborhood Good News to ask meet Naundorff. She read the letter a second time and said:

Well ! sir, I will follow you, I send for a coach and I’ll be ready. Here I am, under your auspices.

Around noon in Albouys, placed in the presence of Mr. Charles (Naundorff had the same first name as Louis XVII, his relatives called Charles all), it seems little moved by seeing it and did not tell her his name. Here is the account of the interview written by Geoffrey lawyer. Would she recognize the child which she had occupied for so many years, but 40 years before?

Madame de Rambaud, wanted to test the suitor with whom we would drive it. To this end, it took a little blue dress that the prince had brought in five or six years , and a small portrait of Marie Antoinette. Naundorff immediately presented to the conversation agrees.

Madame de Rambaud address claiming several questions about Madame de Tourzel, the Abbot Davaux, the tutor of the Dauphin. Mr. Charles meets so very satisfactory: in all his answers it completely met when he confessed his lost memory, nothing ventured neither half.

Mrs Rambaud spoke only in truth. She told his vis-à-vis that she was very young attached to the Queen and the cradle of the Dolphin.

Very young, interrupts Naundorff, very young … You’d be Mrs. Rambaud?

Yes, sir, and the thing is you easy to guess …

Naundorf fixed table of the Queen, he received from Mrs. Rambaud; weeping win; he wants to hand me the framework to achieve her headscarf; he had left on the mezzanine; I go out quickly, and as I handed him: My friend , he said, squeezing my hand , it seems to me you brought me a mother.

The conversation resumed. Mrs Rambaud kept his impressions. She told him : I kept a small garment to remind me dear Prince, since they would not admit me to the Temple with Mme de Tourzel; Perhaps you will remember for putting, and under what circumstances, the Tuileries?

We unfurled the blue dress in front of Naundorff, who raised his voice: Oh! I know him well; it was not the Tuileries, but at Versailles, for a party … and I did most common, I think, from the party, because it bothered me.

At that moment, Madame de Rambaud yielded to her emotion. She put one knee in front of the person who had to answer him that way and exclaimed: Only my Prince who can tell me that. And she pressed her hands, tears flowed from every eye.

The effective recognition thus occurs after the clarifications Naundorff relative to the small blue coat, writes Paul Eric Blanrue, which is partly true, but he forgets that my ancestor put to him before a series of questions about life in Versailles Tuileries on what was happening in the apartments of the Queen and her brother and sister, his parents, his family (?): domestic and housekeepers. Naundorff also quickly shows her scars identical to that of Louis XVII. She speaks all specific brands it carries.

My ancestor was like a mother to Louis XVII. Due respect to the polemicists who are dedicated to this case, all the historians of that period know well that the Queen would not up their children and housekeepers were the numbers … very, very … Pay. So it is only to judge, or Madame de Tourzel.

Moreover, when Mr. Geoffroy wrote that Naundorff said that he had brought a mother , it is obviously that of Madame de Rambaud Naundorff spoke rather of Queen’s portrait. (In good French, he would have said modifications not replicate supporters brought the watchmaker).

Paul Eric Blanrue

There are 15 months I started doing genealogical and historical research on my family. Guillaume Farel is well known, but in Protestant countries. Pléville Le Pelley and Antoine Rambaud Furmeyer were forgotten (recently, this is not the case). Remained Agathe de Rambaud, including thousands of articles, books or reports or information TV speak. I was led to read the book of Paul Eric Blanrue and we exchanged a few letters. I knew nothing about this conundrum. With university studies in history-G, I was interested in history with a capital H. I have since read a few books on the subject, I asked my relatives, cousins descendants of Agathe, reviewed documents at CARAN and MCAD. I also debated on the subject, received letters from supporters or opponents of Naundorff and also people who are asking questions like me. Some passages of his book, which I do not question either the quality, nor the full findings show that this biography is not superfluous.

Paul-Eric Blanrue writes: August 19, 1833, Mrs. Agathe joined Marco de Saint-Hilaire, telling him it would be impossible not to reconnaître- and in fact, the latter recognized him … For proof: he has eyes and his father’s ways (no Napoleon , this time!); . His physical structure is the same as that of the Dauphin (unchanged physical structure after 41 years is an anatomical feat worthy of inclusion in the record!); Finally he tells anecdotes about life at Versailles. He concludes provisionally:

he could read or learn any language if glib Madame de Rambaud, why not?

Indeed, it is possible. But this historian when he adds the name of Napoleon, to make implausible my ancestor, the reader laugh, but the story gains nothing. Agathe de Rambaud never said or wrote that Napoleon had Naundorff ways.

Likewise when it says on my ancestor Andrew, died in 1789, left for Galam the spring 87 : He died two years later, leaving her with two children. Mrs Rambaud had meanwhile become lullaby of the second son of Louis XVI. However, in 1789, Charles-Louis as everyone called Charles, Sieur except Blanrue is no longer cradled a long time, it has 4 years !! ! She’s lullaby in 1785, 1786 … not 89!

Also, my ancestor knows when though Charles was dressed as a girl or not! Blanrue is surprised: What is surprising is that Madame de Rambaud be left up in the game it was nevertheless be aware of the custom.. Sure !!! she dressed every day, she was staying in the room next to that of the child of the royal couple! The Naundorffistes replicate with reason: the child Louis XVII (nor his elder brother) have never been dressed as a girl until the age of 7 years: he shows us a single portrait of Louis-Charles dress! We only know that Marie Antoinette surrounded by his daughter, his son Louis, about 6 years, in breeches, and Louis-Charles on his knees, baby, with, actually a dress.

Madame de Rambaud nothing of Jeanne Calment. It is old, but not senile!

Blanrue also writes, according to the Journal of Clery, she just fled in time to not suffer the persecution of 10 August 1792. However, we have seen it was, she suffers the whole day and takes refuge the evening with neighbors of the castle and is stopped with Clery, going to Versailles. Pages and pages of Clery not enough, we must break the image of my ancestor, at all costs to prove that they are right!

Mr. Blanrue wants to convey my ancestor for an ambitious adventurer . T out what it won in the cause of Naundorff, they are actually persecuted, searches and harassment of all kinds ), replicate the naundorffistes him, not without forgetting due to mention the money that she, her family and relatives poured. The watchmaker loved luxury, when it is seized in London, is discovered at his home a real Aladdin’s cave .

Other testimonies

After Agathe de Rambaud, over 53 people have attested that Naundorff was well Louis XVII, the Minister of Joly justice Fleury, the secretary of Louis XVI, Mr. Bremond, the Minister of Foreign Affairs of Montciel, Real Marco St Hilaire, etc. Among others, a woman of ordinary room, which took care of the daily Dauphin, Madame de Saint-Brice, asserts.

53 people who have experienced the Dolphin, 53 people who defy the powers that be, its police and its judges and accept courageously testify.

How are silent?

How many were content to recognize and not to share that intimate circles, not to harm their career, have a medal, be invited to the official ceremonies of the July Monarchy?

The family of Agathe and Naundorff

Decaux noted that as of late 1833, Ms. St. Hilaire and Mrs Rambaud took an ascendancy over the prince who grows day by day. A niece of Agathe, Baroness generated from a young and beautiful widow, it is also in its favor.

With Philippe Delorme, I know a little better who they are generated (the family died out in France). Originating Torbeck and Les Cayes in Santo Domingo, c ‘is an important issue about Jean generated capita considered a family behind the release of Parents of Toussaint and allied to Poincy, the family of a known governor of the French part of the island.

Baroness generated share of early 1834 for Crossen, look after the family of the Prince , coming out of the misery and shame.

Dedication of a photo sent to the granddaughter of Agathe,
Mrs. Leon Verger, born Ernestine Rambaud
(© Private collection Rodolphe Saint-Germain)

Madame Royale
Sister (?) Of Louis XVII
(Private collection © Guy Rambaud)

In January 1834, Ms. St. Hilaire and Mrs Rambaud write a letter to the Duchess of Angouleme listing the reasons for their conviction.

January 28, 1834, Naundorff is assassinated. Caroline Albouys, another Naundorffiste, disappointed, it sees the work of Madame de Generes Brother (military)

In August 1834, Mr. Saint Didier took Madame de Rambaud in Prague, but Madame Royale (Louis XVII’s sister) refused to receive: This person certainly more than seventy years, she says, and you will do me not believe that at her age she has made this trip to talk to me.

The next Prague police gave 24 hours at Madame Rambaud to leave. The police ! Alain Decaux, judge it incomprehensible refusal due to the repute of Agathe and especially since she said she remembered perfectly. She had accomplished as one crime to 70 years travel Prague and requested a meeting with Madame Royale. Was she afraid that my ancestor was asked about his real identity?

Agathe joined Naundorff after the expulsion of Dresden. His Niece installed Naundorff family in this city since April.

Statement by Ms. Rambaud, dated December 15, 1834, stating that she recognized Louis XVII in the person claiming Naundorff.

(Justice # 17, 1835 – Compendium of the History of misfortunes, London, 1836, p 225. -… Louis XVII Hearing of Mr. Favre, 3rd edition, Paris, 1891, p 73.)

In case I would come to die before the recognition of the Prince, son of Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette, I think I should say here under oath, before God and before men, that I found August 17, 1833, Monsignor Normandy, which I had the honor of being attached from the day of his birth until 10 August 1792 and as it was my duty to make them known to the Duchess of Angoulême (1) I wrote to him in the course of the same year. I enclose a copy of my letter.

The remarks I made as a child on his person could not leave me in no doubt about his identity wherever I could have found.

The Prince had in his childhood the short neck and wrinkled in an extraordinary way. I always said that if I ever found him it would be an irrefutable index for me. According to his obesity, his throat having taken a strong dimension remained as it was, also flexible.

His head was high, broad forehead and discovered his blue eyes, his eyebrows arched, his hair ash-blond, curling naturally. He had the same mouth that the Queen and wore a small dimple in the chin. His chest was high; I recognized several signs so little prominent, and particularly within law. Then the size was very cambered and remarkable approach.

Finally, it is identically the same person that I saw at the age close.

The Prince was inoculated at the castle of Saint-Cloud, at the age of two years and four months in the presence of the Queen, by Dr. Joubertou, inoculator children of France and its faculty ( Note : Favre gives: A HRH the Duchess of Angouleme. ) And the Brunier Loustonneau doctors. Inoculation took place during sleep between ten and eleven o’clock at night, to prevent irritation that could have given the child â seizures, what we always feared. I witnessed this inoculation today said that it is the same brands I found, which was given the shape of a crescent.

Finally, I had kept as a thing of great value to me, a blue coat that Prince had worn only once. I introduced him saying, to see if it would be wrong he had brought to Paris. No, Madame, I have worn at Versailles, at such a time.

We made all the souvenir trade, which alone would have been for me an irrefutable proof that the current prince is truly what he says: the orphan of the Temple.

Mottet, widow of Rambaud, Committed to service Dauphin, Duke of Normandy, from the day of his birth, until August 10, 1792.

She says, as evidence, to have found Naundorff on the “same inoculation marks in the shape of a triangle”, which was made on Louis Charles at the age of 2 years and four months, says Blanrue . what is rather surprising given that the autopsy did not find them. The Naundorffistes speak of a temperature problem. But this argument is hardly convincing.

Naundorff and Agathe

Agathe Naundorff welcome in her home in 1834 and 1835. Naundorff beginning is also arrested at his home (16 Rue Richer, Paris), June 15, 1836. The Secret Police steals all his record with 202 rooms, among she. Baroness of generated undergoes itself as a house search.

Agathe will see in London during his exile after 1836.

By another statement, made at the Le Mans court, dated July 12, 1837 [clerk of the court Mans] confirms its earlier statements:

The prince was inoculated at the castle of Saint-Cloud at the age of 2 years and 4 months in the presence of the queen, by Dr. Jouberton, inoculator children of France and Brunier and Loustonneau doctors. Inoculation took place during sleep between 10 and 11 pm …. Witness to this inoculation, today I said that these are the same brands I found, which was given the mark of a triangle.

Meanwhile, Naundorf had suffered another attack. My ancestor wrote to the Duchess of Angouleme, a very controversial letter in which it stated: – no one assassinates a forger, is the judge .

. August 10, 1845, death of Charles-Guillaume Naundorff in Delft

A funny legitimist

Naundorff, although it is often welcomed and supported by legitimist and royalist supporters of the old regime, has strange supporters, and at all times when it is in big trouble.

On 14 August 1833 he wrote to Republican Strasbourg, specifying that he would never lend to him dishonorable conditions and contrary to the true good of the country. And it sends them a letter change` 1,000 francs that he had received from them.

These reports with the Strasbourg Republicans are undeniable. They stand out with clarity the Albouys correspondence, and had never elsewhere, to our knowledge, been reported by naundorffistes nor by their opponents. What did they actually do? Alsatian revolutionaries they speculated about the possible recognition of Naundorff, even offering to help him to be recognized, even then for him to proclaim the Republic? The thing is possible. Maybe looking in Strasbourg archives we find the trace of a Republican conspiracy to 1832-1834. Perhaps there is a trial record of meeting – the clandestine revolutionary committees commonly kept the minutes of their meetings illuminating the mysterious part of Naundorff of life (Decaux , Louis XVII returned).

There is also a curious testimony comes, strange way to confirm what Naundorff. The move by Nantes is unlikely, we just saw why, but it is not impossible. In 1886, indeed, the legitimacy , issued the following statement, which I reproduce verbatim. It is addressed to Ms. Amélie Laprade, eldest daughter of Naundorff.

Ms. Amélie Laprade, eldest daughter of Naundorff.
Also called Princess of Bourbon, by Naundorffistes convinced.
(© Private collection Rodolphe Saint-Germain)

Very good Princess.

… Here’s what I learned .. He really had it in Nantes, for a long time, meeting people who remained true to our good King Louis XVII, who had formed a serious plan to put it on the throne. They had concerted to get him, and it is according to a demand that came to him that your venerable father came to Nantes. There, as I have already told Your Highness, they brought him down in a small hotel, or rather in an inn run by good people, so as not to compromise. There was kept for several days. We had to know him gradually to the nobility of Brittany and Vendée; and when he would have had a serious party, we would have presented to the government a protest signed by a considerable number of honorable names.

Unfortunately, we found that our good Prince had liberal ideas too pronounced, a certain antipathy to the clergy and a very wrong way in religious matters, because he developed a new form of religion absolutely contrary to the faith, and with a tendency very pronounced for the sect of the Illuminati . So we feared not being able to open his eyes. The nobility thought she would appoint a Republican leader. The clergy was afraid to find an antagonist to the Catholic religion. They would not throw in all the difficulties of a revolution against-and perhaps a revolution; and ‘was the conclusion and scope: This is the son of Louis XVI, but it is not what it takes to France. It is wrong, more to be pitied than blamed, because the environment in which he lived is the cause. But the circumstances prove that God has rejected. Let act of Providence; and God changes, much later will put him on the throne of his fathers.

It was then, as you know, very good Princess, we did leave for Strasbourg. On this occasion two parties were formed. One of these parties, believing that God had no designs on the elder branch of the Bourbons, abandoned by focusing on the Comte de Chambord. The other, very few, and always remained faithful prayed, hoping that God would change her ideas and bring him back on the throne of his fathers …

Mary Mélient

The Nogard, September 27, 1873.

A Pfeehler address at M Albouys in Cahors, March 11, 1836 letter. It provides news claiming he had said it in 1833 in Bern in an M. Schoch , which must have heard Albouys. He comes, he said again, after years of research, only to trace. In reality, having been able to procure the two addresses by a medium is unknown, the Pfeehler nickname had to write about the same time, to Albouys and Abbe Appert.

We know little about this Strohmeyer said Pfeehler (or Pfaeler). In a letter dated 2 July 1872 addressed to Mrs. Amelia, the oldest daughter of Naundorff, a Mrs. Ducrey wrote: … Finally, around the year 1834-1835, I do not remember exactly the time, my father collected a German scientist, a political refugee, named Strohmeyer.

Presumably affiliated with any international Carbonari, certainly a Freemason and member of the Sonderbund he seems to have enjoyed in Republican circles a considerable influence. What he claims to have known Naundorff in 1833, one can infer perhaps the explanation of these curious relations between Republicans and Naundorff Strasbourg – which we have already said they remained mysterious.

Albouys completely disgusted and even indignant at the attitude of the Prince towards him, returned Cahors 10 April 1835 (1). A letter Strohmeyer, he replies, quite quickly, although with melancholy: he is happy, he said, to hear that come substantiate the claims of one who was his client. A correspondence exchange, and soon Strohmeyer – who always sign Pfeehler – declare that the information requested is for Mr. Bremond, former private secretary and friend of the Marquis of Montciel who was interior minister under Louis XVI. Montciel and Bremond, fiercely royalist, had, during the Revolution, played an extremely important role not well enough; according to new documents, they would have been, in many circumstances, the main liaison between the court and the Jacobin party. (Alain Decaux, Louis XVII found


(© Private collection Guy Rambaud)

Upon his arrival in London, Naundorff wrote a letter to the English King William IV to notify its presence in its States . But, Lord Palmerston, then Prime Minister, sends him the letter.

But an English newspaper left, however, repeatedly going to her defense: the Morning Chronicle . The reason for this attitude is both simple and strange. July 18, 1836, six days after the expulsion from France of the pretender, Strohmeyer wrote to Mr. Harry Nelfert, the Morning Chronicle , a letter recommending warmly Naundorff

He gave us undeniable proofs of identity and, although we shall not take legitimate and monarchic interest, historical memories that attach to his name and his suffering, he had to endure what innocent, are rightly compassion of every honest hom me.

But where the thing is precisely strange is that Strohmeyer states that it is in his name what made this recommendation, but on behalf of Top Republican office. So here highlighted once again the relationship between unexplained Republicans and Naundorff. and, by the way if we do not like to make unwarranted assumptions, yet we allow to say that there is certainly one of the keys to the enigma Naundorff (Decaux, Louis XVII found).

Simple really impostor or Louis XVII, the time has not come to take a stand, Naundorff received support, knowledge, information, and by itself it was impossible to obtain. We can therefore rightly wonder who supplied him. The answer is far from certain and indisputable, but it is possible, that we have just seen, and who had never been, so far, to our knowledge, demonstrated that this response is: the Republicans.

August 2, 1836, through Stromeyer Berne was arrested and interrogated in court for participating in Germany to revolutionary conducted. They searched him and found he was carrying some letters at the Duke of Normandy he proposed, by indirect means, to make it happen. The impact of the lawsuit filed by the claimant to the Duchesse d’Angouleme and the Comte d’Artois, and his recent expulsion from France, prompted the Bernese authorities to carry out, as the occasion presented a survey on the subject. Strohmeyer, under questioning, recounted in detail his relationship with Naundorff and Bremond. In details is also a simple way of saying, because, in fact, his testimony was extremely general and continual contradiction with his past conduct. While less than two weeks ago, he wrote that Naundorff had given it to him, and Nagorno Republican Bureau, undeniable proofs of his identity he said in his testimony that he had seen the Duke of Normandy as a deceiver and that this deception was all the more ridiculous and unreasonable that the name had more since 1830, no prerogative! Certainly, the attitude of the Republican and mobile agent who guided the still more mysterious.

And it will follow to the end, Naundorff in his extravagances. For the visions of it continue – and even more. It rarely happens even now to write him a letter policy without placing there some allusion to his last conversations with his or her angels – (it happens now they are three); it also continues to predict a vengeance – dare we say! – Events that persistently fail to realize ever.

(© Private collection Guy Rambaud)

Naundorff think in 1833 that Paris is worth a mass . So he made his first communion, under the guidance of Father Appert, pastor of Saint Arnoult.

He hopes to then reach CHF 300 million (plus interest) which were confiscated by his family to him. After he throws the mask and becomes guru, self-appointed protector of his sect called evangelical Catholic Church. In an annex to its Heavenly Doctrine, it can even reform of angels. So, all sensible people take their distance. Agathe-Rosalie, for example, requests in 1938, her Prince to renounce his mistakes. In vain!

November 8, 1843, Gregory XVI there is more and condemns the son of perdition, who usurps the title of Duke of Normandy. This award, which alienates him more, the Catholic ranks, is catastrophic.

But on the other hand, the King of the Netherlands for help, because relations between France and Holland are not rosy. Schedule Belgium Antwerp in 1832, with the diplomatic support of the France of Louis Philippe. We must see in this attitude a vengeance. But Naundorff is buried under the name of Bourbon and before his death, working for the Dutch army. William II has no power to raise the dead. But this recognition, besides not really official, clouds the issue. The Naundorff are now called Bourbon.

Conclusion: a very strange affair

It seems that Agathe Rosalie Rambaud-Mottet has not varied in his belief until his death on October 18, 1853. She stayed for several days in the farm of his Gendre the Avignon Lawyer Verger. She died alone in Aramon, Gard. His body was found by neighboring farmers, the day after his death.

Far from the pomp of the Court of Versailles … and her Prince .

Agathe was still writing to her daughter Madeleine Célinie, June 9, 1849: that his conviction has not wavered for a moment, even today it is confident of its identity.


Ernest Rambaud (1819-1899)

A graduate of Polytechnique (anti-royalist agitation home) and the School of Staff

(© Private collection Guy Rambaud)

In the case Naundorff / Louis XVII, some claim elucidated, two possibilities exist:

. Either Naundorff and Louis XVII are one and the same. My ancestor was recognized, as well as 53 people who had known the Dauphin at Versailles or the Tuileries.

. Let’s not Naundorff Louis XVII.

If that’s the case, my ancestor:

. Either too old , blinded by his love for the old Duke of Normandy, she and 53 other witnesses are duped by a genius swindler.

. Either Naundorff is helped by all individuals and groups that we saw the press or other, more powerful and discreet. Lately, off forum, one participant was surprised that Naundorff not been arrested. On the contrary, the appearance of Naundorff, in the political arena then divide the Legitimists and certainly benefits the Republicans, but especially Louis Philippe to power ..

So Agathe, in this case, was duped by someone who knows the life of the Court by other witnesses and advisors.

. Third solution, Agathe and Charles are complicit. My ancestor is the way to avenge Louis XVIII, Charles X and their families, for personal and family reasons … It is not near anything of Legitimists seen. She is acting on behalf of the Republicans? Not necessarily … legitimists have other enemies. And alliances are sometimes between political parties as enemies but join forces against a common adversary.

A few years later, his little son Ernest is one of the organizers of the coup that brought Napoleon III on the throne. This same future Napoleon III in 1838, which was originally a coup … … supported by Republicans in Strasbourg … At the time, he wanted the emperor Republicans .

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